convo2.17.2010 1.20.a.m.

cagedmind0531
Not really. Mostly just writing new stuff. Inserting the town description I did and some other things.
forrestjones2010
ah
crafty fellow
cagedmind0531
"Axis voiced his suspicions once again" probably a good place to start
forrestjones2010
on the Master Final?
cagedmind0531
yeah
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
Master Copy Feb 15,2010
you can edit as you go if ya want
forrestjones2010
what would you prefer
cagedmind0531
edit I think, let's get something productive done while ya read
Just be sure to keep an eye on content, consistency, etc
forrestjones2010
k
fill me in
where are we
prior to this
cagedmind0531
the rune bombs just hit and killed Sinagosa[placeholder name]
they questioned her and found out it was Iboga and he had taken over the city
Did ya not read that part or just forgot?
If we need to go back a little bit to catch you up that's cool
forrestjones2010
yeah let me go back i will let you know when i get yo "Axis voiced"
cagedmind0531
Let's just start editing wherever you start reading
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
I've gotten alot of work done since you've been busy
forrestjones2010
k
ready
cagedmind0531
Where are you deciding to start? Chapter 5?
forrestjones2010
I am on Syrka was the next to confront a bomb
cagedmind0531
k
with you
forrestjones2010
Two remaining.=Remained
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
knocking him unconscious.=knocks
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
As they all catch their breaths =breath
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
her internal injuries too great. are to great.
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
i like the name
cagedmind0531
It's from world of warcraft Sindragosa
forrestjones2010
one thing i have noticed as far as consistencey is the ending of quotes
sometimes you put who is talking and other times you don't
this may cause confusion
to the reader
cagedmind0531
Sometimes it feels implied, but I see what you mean
forrestjones2010
i know who you are talking about because i am so close to the work
others may not
cagedmind0531
That sounds like a large editing process
We may want to put a hold on that for now
forrestjones2010
dont do it now
matter of fact dont do it at all
untill the end
that is really the task of a true editor
we only want to spend a little time making it presentable enough to an editing company
so they can completet that part
cagedmind0531
Yeah I know what you mean
forrestjones2010
editing is mind numbing
moving on
i love how you have made exile seem to me like Chinese Communism you just accept your position in society and dont question it...go work in the mines in HujongDo...NOW!
to be*
cagedmind0531
rofl
Well Iboga is really beyond question
forrestjones2010
very effective
thats how those contries really operate...in total fear
cagedmind0531
By the way I have started to insert some themes, you will notice them later
Like how we are all becoming mindless because of the number of machines in our lives
forrestjones2010
love it
especially because i am starting to build machines in my work

cagedmind0531
nice
forrestjones2010
hmm there is that balance thing again
cagedmind0531
?
forrestjones2010
balance
cagedmind0531
oh I gotcha
forrestjones2010
right
you wanna know how peyton takes control over siren initially?
cagedmind0531
sure
forrestjones2010
she slips nanobot destabalizers into her extra dirty Skye martini in at the Hotel Yorba in Venice...
knocks her out cold
cagedmind0531
interesting
forrestjones2010
attacks the motor center of her cybernetic brain...
sexy stuff
moving on
cagedmind0531
haha
forrestjones2010
i am so digging AI now...thanks for the assignment...i even know how the first sever soul experiments are going to be played out
cagedmind0531
Cool
forrestjones2010
pineal glandulation
and the Tibetian Book of the Dead
cagedmind0531
got dc'd a sec there sorry
forrestjones2010
spliced with a man named Rick Strassman who will make a Camio...
np
cagedmind0531
be sure you annotate what a gland does if you mention it
cause off the top of my head I know nothing about pineal glands
forrestjones2010
this is just me talking to you
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
i will get the pg version worked out through the cinemax filter in my head somehow
as long as i dont have to sell my soul to disney
cagedmind0531
lol
Easy to say that when they aren't offering you some massive million dollar, never have to work again rest of your life, check
forrestjones2010
true enough
enter Robin Williams
it is interesting that you introduced an element to Axis that he is fallable...
cagedmind0531
When did I do that?
forrestjones2010
saying not to trust Adahn...when he is wrong about him
cagedmind0531
ag yeah
*ah
Well Adahn is lying
Just not about being a traitor
forrestjones2010
i see
very nice
give me a sec i have to take a few notes on what i am writing before i forget...wont take long
cagedmind0531
np
So long as you get caught up tonight I'll be happy.
If we get that far anyway
forrestjones2010
caught up with your stuff?
cagedmind0531
yeah
forrestjones2010
def
is there an Architecht in the matrix?
i am trying to avoid the matrix
cagedmind0531
There is an architect in the matrix
forrestjones2010
thought so
thanks
cagedmind0531
np
By the way I think my next art project may involve redoing the Diagram with updated character lists
forrestjones2010
i already did it in Gimp...started it nyway
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
its not pretty though
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
its just functional
all i did was add text of chacter names in times new roman...will post upon completion
i may score photshop soon
cagedmind0531
I am going to take a college class on photoshop soon
forrestjones2010
do that
that will be super useful
i virtually no nothing
just what i taught myself
but i want to know so much more
i want to learn animation to
ok i am done with those notes
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
lets get bak to yours
redy?
cagedmind0531
yes em
forrestjones2010
k
Things had been uneasy before this time.
cagedmind0531
Things had been uneasy before now?
forrestjones2010
period
cagedmind0531
oh ok
forrestjones2010
Graven always maintaining a judging and vigilant eye upon Adahn.maintained
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
so no Kalyx?
Calyx?
cagedmind0531
I couldn't remember the name. Kaela was a placeholder
Calyx?
or Kalyx?
forrestjones2010
are you ok with Calyx?
cagedmind0531
If you want it, it's cool
I prefer a 'K' btw
Kalyx
forrestjones2010
I would like it and K is fine
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
did I tell you why
cagedmind0531
Yes.
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
Means part of a flower and you were going to name a girl that if you had one.
forrestjones2010
right
cagedmind0531
I listen to ya sometimes

forrestjones2010
awe
did you get my messages about gaia dying in childbirth?
cagedmind0531
yeah, it's not as big a moment or as powerful as her getting killed
forrestjones2010
k
just didnt know if you got them
cagedmind0531
surely did sir
forrestjones2010
back
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
question
cagedmind0531
yup?
forrestjones2010
that was spliced in
am i caught up?
cagedmind0531
no, there is more after the spliced in stuff
quite a bit more
forrestjones2010
where do i go now
and btw...the way the kid arrives ROCKS!
very real
very believable
very touchy feely
cagedmind0531
cool
forrestjones2010
human
cagedmind0531
"Taking a deep breath...
forrestjones2010
i am there
bathroom break brb
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
back
cagedmind0531
alrighty
forrestjones2010
what is scrying?
cagedmind0531
Means like looking through binoculars
forrestjones2010
k
Adahn not on the list.
cagedmind0531
only magical
forrestjones2010
was not
adahn was not
cagedmind0531
By the way
Did you notice that Gaia's name isn't on the list and Graven doesn't even notice that
That is intentional
It's supposed to underscore how much he trusts her
forrestjones2010
i did not notice that but i do have questione on this piece
cagedmind0531
shoot
forrestjones2010
and that is nice
This would explain why Iboga knew of the survivors but still did not explain why Adahn not on the list.
add "was"
cagedmind0531
done
what was your question?
forrestjones2010
give me a sec
dog attack
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
back
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
in this paragraph you are talking about a single bomb right?
cagedmind0531
yes
forrestjones2010
k
so the bombs have names on them of their victims
?
cagedmind0531
Yes, only those people trigger the explosions
Is that not clear?
forrestjones2010
sorry tish kept talking to me
you are so patient
cagedmind0531
np
forrestjones2010
or very pissed and not saying anything
cagedmind0531
I don't get pissed
honestly
forrestjones2010
good
cagedmind0531
Frustrated sometimes but rarely
forrestjones2010
last ?
cagedmind0531
shoot
forrestjones2010
is Iboga aware of Axis
anif so How?
cagedmind0531
Aware of the eye yes, aware it is intelligent no
forrestjones2010
k
moving on
good paragraph
cagedmind0531
k awesome
forrestjones2010
most of that i just needed to internalize
for future reference
cagedmind0531
np
forrestjones2010
Even the blasted eye of Fracture seems beyond my reach.
this seems to say he knows it is prettyimportant
cagedmind0531
Remember back to the beginning of the book
In the tent
forrestjones2010
yes
of course
cagedmind0531
He knows it exists and knows it's power
forrestjones2010
i know he knows it existsts
k
moving on
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
its just been a while
cagedmind0531
no worries
Does that scene with Iboga feel lame or unnecessary?
forrestjones2010
with the cat?
cagedmind0531
yeah
forrestjones2010
leave it for now
cagedmind0531
If it does I can change it no problem. But I had doubts while writing it
forrestjones2010
i did not feel in unneccessary
or highly drawn to it
neutral
reassessit in 2 weeks or longer
however the entering into the city in BADASS!!!
cagedmind0531
oh?
forrestjones2010
i am anxious....
cagedmind0531
haha
forrestjones2010
its a good set up
This was not the home Graven had left behind but some new entity bound and gagged by the will of some unseen engine.
give me more
cagedmind0531
Yeah I snuck some poetry in
forrestjones2010
poetry my friend
Their rampant ragings littered the air with a tumult of mechanical activity and at the center of it all was a tower ten stories tall among buildings no bigger then twoTheir rampant ragings littered the air with a tumult of mechanical activity and at the center of it all was a tower ten stories tall among buildings no bigger then two
who is in the 10 story building?
cagedmind0531
Iboga
He doesn't live outside the city anymore, he runs it
forrestjones2010
are you familiar with Joseph Campbell?
The Power of Myth
cagedmind0531
No I'm not
forrestjones2010
one of his largest ideas is look to the largest building in any culture and you will their find its largest paradox
he was the largest influencer over George Lucas in the creation of Star Wars
cagedmind0531
interesting
Cool
forrestjones2010
youtube him sometime
he has a ton of video lectures
and audio stuff
very cool how you incorporated that intuitively...you do that allot
cagedmind0531
go figure
forrestjones2010
Powder
ever been struck by lightning?
cagedmind0531
Nope
thankfully

forrestjones2010
i have its not as bad as it sounds
cagedmind0531
wow really?
forrestjones2010
it was a controlled experiment in physics in highschool on a fieldtrip to the houston museum of natural science
i got in this cage made of chicken wire and they shot this massive amount of electricity at me
and it danced around me for several minutes
it was cool
cagedmind0531
sounds cool
forrestjones2010
back to the city
cagedmind0531
I find it odd and curious writing about people getting drunk off food
forrestjones2010
i would consider a synonym for "very"
cagedmind0531
where?
forrestjones2010
i have noticed it being used quite a bit by both of us
just in general
cagedmind0531
ah ok
But I was thinking of people eating to get drunk as a reference to people eating for recreation like in today's society
forrestjones2010
also how you keep tagging purpose back to everything is very powerful keep that up that is good
yeah the eating thing is good
ah ok
10:54 PM
But I was thinking of people eating to get drunk as a reference to people eating for recreation like in today's society
what do you mean by your last comment?
cagedmind0531
People eating because they are bored or because it's an oppurtunity to get out of the house
forrestjones2010
this may need to be explained why they are eating at all because this is a people that in the begining did not eat
cagedmind0531
"Not travelers stopping for rest but citizens basking in the intoxicating consumation of food and drink."
That doesn't make it clear?
forrestjones2010
why is anyone eating?
cagedmind0531
You're right
forrestjones2010
why is there food?
cagedmind0531
There's food because it gets them drunk
forrestjones2010
i am all for that but since when
just now?
cagedmind0531
True. We'll need to establish it sooner
forrestjones2010
no...now is good
cagedmind0531
I honestly just thought of it and wrote it in
forrestjones2010
now is fine
now works
it actually goes along with all the change
with the machines
fall from grace
as it were
dont change it
cagedmind0531
Though Etherians did not need food they often ate or drank for recreation, mostly due to it's inebriating effect.
forrestjones2010
perfect
sumtime forest es slowww
cagedmind0531
I figure this way the reader is learning more as they go and it isn't all thrown in their face right off the bat
forrestjones2010
good point
just think if you left the us in 1800 and wen to antarctica and came back in 2010
Bazinga!
cagedmind0531
Wanna hear something funny
The idea of the city falling out from grace happened on it's own because of the purpose thing. On accident
I didn't plan on it but when I thought about it
"What if machines did everything in a purpose driven society"
then bam there it was
forrestjones2010
sweet
this novel is starting to write itself isnt it
in a way?
cagedmind0531
In alot of ways yeah. We are just now honestly getting to the real story.
The other stuff was preamble
forrestjones2010
w\this is exciting
i cant type its so exciting
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
you are going to love what i have instore for siren/peyton ai
cagedmind0531
We might have to have a chapter devoted to siren soon a this rate. Not sure yet. Keep in mind that we are inching in Siren one dose at a time right now
So you need stopping places
forrestjones2010
dont you worry about that sir
cagedmind0531
haha
The next scene is going to be difficult. I am not killing off Iboga
forrestjones2010
ok
question
cagedmind0531
shoot
forrestjones2010
how long do you want this piece i am doing?
that helps me
cagedmind0531
I don't really know. Honestly it depends on how difficult it is to insinuate it into the work
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
That's the only problem with us having two different directions is that eventually I have to find where it goes without breaking the flow of the story
forrestjones2010
you have a point
i wanted to bring that up
cagedmind0531
That's the main thing I have to alter when I edit your pieces. You don't always put them in context of the book. They are just events happening in Siren's world
go ahead
forrestjones2010
because me focusing on what we are focused on now basically takes me off the piece i am doing enttirelyy...which is fine...i dont mind at all
cagedmind0531
Well I think you going over this with me is important because you need to start thinking *ok where would this fit?*
forrestjones2010
i am 1000% flexible i can always go back to that...as long as you dont mind that it isnt getting don fast enough..
cagedmind0531
That is no problem. Just really try hard to find where it can be inserted and at the same time I will try to find breaks where I am writing where something can happen.
You know it's really funny to think about the way we were writing this book. We would never be this far.
We were on a dead end for a long time
forrestjones2010
i dont even remember how we "were" writing this book
i don want to remember
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
whatever it was was not working and this is
so what is working?
cagedmind0531
So did you finish btw?
forrestjones2010
no
cagedmind0531
What is working is character driven over information driven
forrestjones2010
such a simple thing
Graven finding little sleep as he considered, in advance, his encounter with Iboga and what he would do if Adahn was indeed the traitor he believed.
found
no , after advance
nevermind
cagedmind0531
done
forrestjones2010
sorry
neither comma is needed
cagedmind0531
I got it
forrestjones2010
am i caught up?
cagedmind0531
yes
What do you think?
forrestjones2010
amazing work Jason...amazing
cagedmind0531
great
forrestjones2010
sorry this weekend was so hectic
but its gonna be like that sometimes
cagedmind0531
so now there will be a seen where syrka uses a potion that Iboga gave him to put Gaia to sleep
no worries
*scene
forrestjones2010
right
cagedmind0531
He will trick Veyn into helping him carry Gaia to the city
Where they will meet up with Iboga and graven
He got the potion when he was running around gathering gems on the way to the clearing
forrestjones2010
are you brain storming or can i interupt your train of thought for a bit?
cagedmind0531
go for it
forrestjones2010
lets dicuss working in 2 different areas for a bit or would you like to continue....
cagedmind0531
Right now we need to discuss where yours will fit in. Are you just filling in character development or do you have plot points happening that affect Graven's timeline?
Cause as it is I think your stuff should start Chapter 6
forrestjones2010
great qestions...and very specific
i was going for more general stuff
but ok
i havent gotten that far into plot lines
cagedmind0531
ah well go ahead and discuss what ya need to
forrestjones2010
and the like but i will beging to think about that
i just wanted to discuss pros and cons
cagedmind0531
we can do that, go ahead
Oh real quickly before I forget
I was considering making some references to Gaia being the Garden of Eden
forrestjones2010
ok
cagedmind0531
k just had to note that
go ahead
forrestjones2010
np
con
i dont want to be off in left field when i can be helping you to further things faster
cagedmind0531
I agree with that. I think after this stage honestly you and I should go back to working together truthfully
Seperate needed to be done so you could flesh some stuff out on your own
But once that is done we need to meld
The story can't afford to be spliced by different directions
imo
forrestjones2010
Seperate needed to be done so you could flesh some stuff out on your own
what does this mean?
cagedmind0531
I mean develop the new character
forrestjones2010
peyton and ai?
cagedmind0531
Yeah
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
Siren won't be in chapter 5, chapter 5 is almost done. She'll start chapter 6 I think
forrestjones2010
ok so after peyton is created and ai is established we get back on the same page so to say
cagedmind0531
Yeah I think that would be best
forrestjones2010
agreed
Who created AI
?
cagedmind0531
Ok get this...plot twist here
You'll never guess. I just thought of it
Iboga does
! bazinga!
forrestjones2010
icky
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
counciously?
cagedmind0531
Nah I was just throwing that out there. I don't know. Though it would be interesting if Iboga lives that long and becomes a factor late in the story
forrestjones2010
punk alien testicle
cagedmind0531
lol
What do you think about that since I put it out there? negatory/
?
forrestjones2010
you have me thinking about it now
darn you
cagedmind0531
mwhahaha
forrestjones2010
to spherion
tie you to a phone
for eternity to a mexican fat women with bo
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
who is single
cagedmind0531
Hard to believe we met at that plcae
place*
forrestjones2010
no joke
the universe is kind to me that way
cagedmind0531
ha thanks!
forrestjones2010
it puts me in hell...then gives me a best fiend...
good times
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
i am going to have to sleep on that one...Iboga that is
cagedmind0531
Ah ok man, have a good night
forrestjones2010
no no
thats not what i meant
cagedmind0531
oh alright
lol
forrestjones2010
just him creating AI
cagedmind0531
It would be a big twist
forrestjones2010
i am not sleepy yet
huge
cagedmind0531
Plus it wants a soul more then anything which Iboga wants as well. If he makes it in his on image it would want the same things he does
If we did do it that way it would be the last page in the book
forrestjones2010
it would have to be
cagedmind0531
People would be freaked out
Or, random thought. Iboga could be the AI
forrestjones2010
that is what i thought you meant
cagedmind0531
no no no, 2 seperate choices
forrestjones2010
re explain you position sir
Iboga creates
or Iboga is AI
cagedmind0531
Ok so choice 1. Iboga creates the AI and he's dying. Before he dies he transfers his consciousness into a computer.
Choice 2. Iboga creates the AI in his image to destroy the Gaia tree. For some reason.
forrestjones2010
thinking
cagedmind0531
Feel free to insert your ideas if ya got some
forrestjones2010
i do
Choice 3. Iboga and AI are ONE entity and always have been and have no soul.
cagedmind0531
How does Iboga get into computers?
forrestjones2010
no one has knowledge of this save him alone
thinking
How does AI get into Iboga
cagedmind0531
One problem with Iboga becoming the AI is a big issue
and that is that artificial intelligence means it was artificially created
As in it didn't exist before
forrestjones2010
Who created the masks?
cagedmind0531
The Shadow Crow
forrestjones2010
do we have an Oroboros? in our story yet? a snake eating its own tail?
they myth ofcourse?
cagedmind0531
No...well graven does inject himself
In a way that could be
forrestjones2010
AI/IBoga could be that myth
the serpent eating its own tale?
cagedmind0531
Yeah just as in he is chasing his past
forrestjones2010
just grasping
a recuring cyclye theme
cagedmind0531
hmm
forrestjones2010
time loops
thats a much simpler way to say it
time loops
cagedmind0531
Choice 4. Graven creates it to save Gaia's soul and in turn it destroys it
Random thought
Iboga is the bigger surprise
forrestjones2010
hold on
who is our hero?
Graven
you are on to something
cagedmind0531
Well for most of the book it's Graven, then it's siren
forrestjones2010
with choice 4
ok then siren
cagedmind0531
Siren kills Gaia btw, I decided. If you are onboard with it.
forrestjones2010
are you serious?
cagedmind0531
I was being serious yeah. Unless we come up with something better
forrestjones2010
i think i may have just had an orgasm
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
thats perfect
i would love for siren to kill her
siren loves to kill
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
and she is so good at it
cagedmind0531
we're not there yet though
forrestjones2010
ok
if siren is AI
is would be super freaky
cagedmind0531
I decided I want all of Ahmphyrr, the survivors, to fall in love with Gaia too before she dies
forrestjones2010
because the way i am writing this scene
now is i have her knocked out and being analyzed by AI
cagedmind0531
Dual personalities has been done to death btw if that's what you are thinking
forrestjones2010
it would by by her self and reporting back to herself/peyton
not at all
it would be trippl anyway
good on the fall in love thing
cagedmind0531
I think Iboga would be the biggest plot twist we can come up with. The relic of the past is the fall of the future
forrestjones2010
we need to put way more thought into who AI is
cagedmind0531
Yeah I agree
forrestjones2010
i thought AI was AI before tonight
cagedmind0531
lol! you know what they say about asumptions
forrestjones2010
its nice to know she is fluid
yup
cagedmind0531
Are you being very clear to establish that AI is a computer intelligence?
forrestjones2010
i will be there as soon as i ge there
get
cagedmind0531
lol ok...wherever you go there you are

forrestjones2010
honestly j i have been focussed so much on what you have been working on i have only written 3 pages in the last 3 days
cagedmind0531
Dude that's totally fine. There's no pressure. You have been busy.
forrestjones2010
i havent drawn a single billy pic since we started and i am meeting with jim tommorow
hope the $%^& dont hit the %$#
cagedmind0531
That's no good man.
forrestjones2010
THE IND
cagedmind0531
I didn't mean to usurp your artistic time
forrestjones2010
no worries
I need your opinion
cagedmind0531
shoot
forrestjones2010
I am considering starting some sort of Creative Art League Online to try to Attract Talent for various projects...good idea...bad idea...
cagedmind0531
It's a good idea. You'd need a pretty broad base of people to start it.
forrestjones2010
k
just a thought
moving on
so whats next
siren kills gai
gaia
cagedmind0531
Chapter 7 probably
we're on 5
forrestjones2010
k
i like the city
you are making it real
cagedmind0531
That's cool.
forrestjones2010
i am good at going back through and adding depth and detail
like a painting
cagedmind0531
Ok so I've got alot mapped out in my head though the Iboga encounter is going to be tough
forrestjones2010
no joke
that is going to be wiked wild
cagedmind0531
Where do I put the baby for starters
forrestjones2010
inside of a fake rune bomb
cagedmind0531
Because syrka and veyn will be carrying gaia to the city
I can't just leave the baby there!
lol
sick bastard!
forrestjones2010
i m serious
thats the last place an enemy would look for a baby
cagedmind0531
Yeah but it's a baby...it needs to be taken care of
forrestjones2010
oh yeah
cagedmind0531
/facepalm
lol
forrestjones2010

how about a basket of reeds and float him down the river to phaoroh's house
cagedmind0531
score!
forrestjones2010
where do you put a baby
cagedmind0531
What if Iboga can create a portal for Syrka to take gaia
forrestjones2010
thats what you get for not having enough chichs
cagedmind0531
Then the baby could stay with Veyn
forrestjones2010
sure and that would further establish ibogas power
go for it
cagedmind0531
That solves that
forrestjones2010
vector
my new favorite word
cagedmind0531
when in doubt insert instant transportation over vast distances
forrestjones2010
agreed
cagedmind0531
Is using a pen to draw a portal silly?
forrestjones2010
?
cagedmind0531
I was thinking Iboga leaves him a pen that he can use to draw a portal back to the tower
forrestjones2010
THAT SHOULD WORK
oops
cagedmind0531
OH! better idea. A pebble shaped like a tower that when thrown into water makes a portal to the tower.
forrestjones2010
pretty
cagedmind0531
moving on
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
What happens in your story? Does anything cause siren to time travel again or is it just backstory etc?
forrestjones2010
there has not been another jump yet
cagedmind0531
k
You need to have Siren quit her job after she kills Gaia, how do you feel about that
forrestjones2010
i am ok with that
cagedmind0531
She can still sneak into the lab though
forrestjones2010
does she get burned out and boozed up?
cagedmind0531
Ok what about this. What if Iboga doesn't invent AI but rather decides to use Iboga as a source for runic power instead of the eye once he can't get it
forrestjones2010
did you word that right?
cagedmind0531
no
lol
Get what I meant though?
forrestjones2010
i think so
so iboga would be stronger than AI?
cagedmind0531
What if Peyton suddenly tells Dr Feinberg [much later in the book] that he has no more need of the eye
No he needs runic power to create a vessel capable of containing a soul
forrestjones2010
i like
cagedmind0531
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30518146&id=1468474094 that's the relic with the rune power and the electric generator
I want to erase the little 4 pronged jet part
it's silly
forrestjones2010
what the hell are you talking about?
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
this is my facebook profile picture
cagedmind0531
I know, it's in my sketchbook you pilfuring thief
forrestjones2010
and
cagedmind0531
That's the artifact
forrestjones2010
no shit
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
i love that picture
actually your rune bomb is my profile picture
cagedmind0531
Yeah I noticed. Haha
forrestjones2010
do you know how to block gifts?
cagedmind0531
No I don't but they are annoying
forrestjones2010
i getting to the point i dont use fb anymore because of them
cagedmind0531
You are getting tired. I can tell
lol
forrestjones2010
how
off subject
cagedmind0531
You start ranting and taking longer to respond
lol
forrestjones2010
moving on
cagedmind0531
rofl
forrestjones2010
that is what my dad tells me too
cagedmind0531
ok so anyway
forrestjones2010
ok
cagedmind0531
What do we need to work out?
forrestjones2010
closing 5 opening 6
completing my peice
cagedmind0531
Close of 5 is the evacuation of Ahmphyrr
So in like 5-7 pages I need to defeat Iboga and have people running for their lives from an exploding city, all the while having Iboga somehow survive
forrestjones2010
dont worry about a page limit just say what you want to say
7 or 70
rome fall 9 times every hour
cagedmind0531
I think Adahn will figure out a way to reverse the energy in every power source
forrestjones2010
he has to to redeem himself
cagedmind0531
He could die saving them!
forrestjones2010
his karma must be mended
either way his karma must be mended
his dharma must unfold
cagedmind0531
I need to establish more clearly that Etherians can achieve a soul
forrestjones2010
elaborat on "achieve" a soul
cagedmind0531
If they find their true purpose their ether burns blue and they then have a soul the lives on forever when they die
forrestjones2010
if they die before that whate happens?
cagedmind0531
they go into the abyss of nothing
That's why Gaians are considered more evolved
Everyone has a soul
They don't have to earn it
Which can itself be a plotpoint
forrestjones2010
i see
can gaian loose theirs
/
cagedmind0531
I hadn't thought about it
What do you think
forrestjones2010
yes
if i can they can
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
what does Iboga look like
is he majestic
cagedmind0531
Yoda
rofl
forrestjones2010
or impish
cagedmind0531
Small, frail, has a cane
Not as short as yoda but short
forrestjones2010
my mental picture wasnt far off
cagedmind0531
So Iboga thinks by getting gaia and learning her power he can achieve his purpose and gain a soul
forrestjones2010
but inactuality he will be the first to lose his soul
cagedmind0531
Thoughts on this?
forrestjones2010
he will have a negative soul
a minus 1
cagedmind0531
Ok so in the coming chapters the first humans start to evolve from etherians
forrestjones2010
which begins to attracts monsters to him from the spirit world
hay
you ignored me
cagedmind0531
No I saw
forrestjones2010
without the ...thingy
cagedmind0531
was thinking on it
forrestjones2010
hmmmm
cagedmind0531
How could he lose his soul if he never gets one?
forrestjones2010
i wasnt being a jerk....promise
it would be a minus 1
bad idea moving on
cagedmind0531
hmm he could become a revenant
forrestjones2010
gaming...moving on
cagedmind0531
a malevolent spirit
ok
forrestjones2010
guess i am more inocent than i thought
moving on
cagedmind0531
what do you mean?
forrestjones2010
did not know what a revanant ws
was
cagedmind0531
It's simply someone who returns after death as a spirit
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
or it can simply mean one who returns after death
apparently Jesus was a revenant. There isn't anything evil it's a neutral word
anyway
forrestjones2010
hmmm
nice word
i like new word
s
cagedmind0531
So how does graven defeat Iboga
magic beans!
forrestjones2010
dumb luck
cagedmind0531
dumb luck could work
forrestjones2010
on his own turf to boot
thats a tough one
use sound
cagedmind0531
I was actually thinking that Gaia turns his cat against him
forrestjones2010
somehow
mantra
a word or song she teaches him
a phrase of love for the earth
ledrum
"ledrum"
tantric mantra
ledrum
cagedmind0531
hmmm
forrestjones2010
lulls him to sleep
lulls him to fall in love temporarily
along with the entire city as they are chanting with them
cagedmind0531
the city escapes alive
well
some of them do
forrestjones2010
k
i posted some ibogas to the blog
cagedmind0531
We need this to be a symbolic defeat of people acting for themselves or his dependence on machines defeats him