Convo from 1/24/2010

cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 8:59:00 PM): Home finally.
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 9:12:54 PM): What's kickin?
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 9:14:12 PM): Chillin with the fam for a bit...then about to get on the road to austin...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 9:16:29 PM): Awe man why Austin?
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 9:27:08 PM): Luvs austin
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 9:46:23 PM): Did you ever see this Timeline I made? It's nuts
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 9:49:14 PM): Yeah I uploaded it lat night...its on the blog
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 9:51:43 PM): No that one. I had a more specific and elborate one in my notes.
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 9:52:22 PM): Sweet..post it...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 9:57:21 PM): Remember "The Scalping" at all? It was where the earth had it's atmosphere burned off and people moved into the earth to live. Then that guy made a machine to catch comets and use them to remake the earth.
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 9:58:02 PM): I remember that vividly...love it
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 10:19:53 PM): I need you to think of some events that happen in creation with the maks. Things they might discuss. Things that may go wrong. Anything
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 10:20:18 PM): We need more material. As is we are using description to take up pages of writing. We need events. THings happening
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:20:25 PM): K
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:21:49 PM): Temporal disturbances...ghosts a shades in the background that should not be present...but faint & unable to be communicated with
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:22:05 PM): I agree
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 10:23:40 PM): Also something the masks would argue about.
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:24:06 PM): K
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 10:27:16 PM): I'm not happy with Chapter 1 or 2. I had my gf read it and said it's too much description and not enough substance and I agree. I have alot to fix.
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 10:31:01 PM): I realize alot of writers are very descriptive so it can work for us but it also needs to be accessible to more people, without being dumb down.
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:39:20 PM): And from their words rose the eschaton...the singularity that was to be prime mover of all things...each word laced into existence from the masks became a blood
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:39:32 PM): Line of its own...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:39:47 PM): Anger morphed into war...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:40:33 PM): The folded iris gave rise to the spinning galaxy..
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:41:12 PM): Care fore their new creations became love...desire...then obsession...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:42:26 PM): The great war was inevitably woven into their passions & only now from this vantage point in time can we look back & speculate...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:43:16 PM): (perhaps lace play with the timeline from a nonlinear vantage point)
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:43:41 PM): think spherically...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:44:18 PM): Like the movie The Others were they were the ones haunting & not the haunted..
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:44:58 PM): I see a great war...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:46:12 PM): I will think of actions...i think it is time to choose our hero...if you have some time youtube joseph campbell hero with 1000 faces...& power of myth...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 10:47:08 PM): you there?
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:19:32 PM): what makes people fall in love with good literature are relationships and character interactions...so far the set up is phenaomenal...but it is what it is...4 masks basically in a vacuum...have you ever considered the description to open then jumping to a future scen then coming back in a later chapter for more description...my favorite books and movies are told in peices with lots of play with time...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:25:35 PM): That's an interesting idea but I'm not sure how to impliment it
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:26:04 PM): the time flip
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:26:51 PM): we just ned a mechanism that lends itself to a movement in time...a literary device
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:27:05 PM): the key is not to make it cheesey
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:27:36 PM): or use something that is obliously connected to other work like a palanteer from LOTR
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:27:46 PM): hmm
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:28:58 PM): for instance
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:29:09 PM): Well I am not sure what element has the power or is aware of the creation of the universe
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:29:13 PM): That's the issue
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:29:49 PM): what i am using in the chrome is a place called the Akashic record...all it is...is a place to jump to other places in the story
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:29:49 PM): OH!
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:29:52 PM): I have an idea
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:30:38 PM): another example in purgatory is even simpler but it works for that...he ends every new chapter with..."and billy was X years old"
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:30:46 PM): Each god is the avatar of one of the masks, Zarathustra - Order, Gaia - Forge, AI - Entropy so...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:31:08 PM): What if when the god sleeps it dreams about what that particular mask knows
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:31:46 PM): so any event is tied back to his age...keeps things flowing...and yes i am listening just had to get that out
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:31:59 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:32:05 PM): that could work
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:32:38 PM): For that to work the god would have to be unaware that it possesses the spirit of the masks
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:33:01 PM): And they would have to not be gods but more down to earth then that...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:33:08 PM): Something powerful but not a god
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:33:34 PM): hmmm i shall ponder such things
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:33:56 PM): my friend got sick btw and we are not on the road...leaving in the morning
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:34:03 PM): Ah ok
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:34:13 PM): was wondering
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:34:34 PM): oh and also btw all the images i am posting are just background creative noise...they help me spark...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:34:49 PM): we can use them or not use them...it matters not
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:34:50 PM): ok
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:35:11 PM): i like to post works in progress too
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:35:47 PM): what about fracture's point of view
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:35:50 PM): ?
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:36:04 PM): listening
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:36:35 PM): since he has no era perhaps...we could somehow incorporate some sort of observer status to him
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:36:38 PM): just a thought
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:36:43 PM): brainstorming
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:37:43 PM): it will come to one of us and when it does...this mechanism of story travel...it will be bad ass...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:38:00 PM): I considered the idea that fracture could have been speaking to the crow creator before he was given life
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:39:07 PM): Your idea with Fracture would work but I kind of saw Fracture as a villain
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:39:23 PM): Always seeking to upset the balance kind of thing
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:39:53 PM): indeed i see him as a villian also a nasty little spike
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:40:06 PM): pukin on sunshine
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:40:11 PM): puking
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:40:22 PM): What if Fracture narrated the entire book
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:40:42 PM): possible
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:40:48 PM): brainstorming
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:40:57 PM): sure
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:41:20 PM): even so a literary mechisn is needed to push things backwards and forwards in time
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:41:42 PM): the vortex creates the universe that is trapped inside of the chains of time right?
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:42:14 PM): The vortex is basically the timeline. As everything is pulled through creation occurs
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:42:32 PM): pulled to it rather not through it
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:42:38 PM): what is outside of time?
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:42:42 PM): and creation?
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:43:20 PM): Not sure what is outside of time. I hadn't discussed it yet. And creation I mean all forms in the universe are created as the masks pass by
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:44:29 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:44:57 PM): think quantum leap...
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:45:11 PM): they could go anywhere and tell any story'
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:45:18 PM): the wardrobe
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:45:51 PM): it almost has to be a noun...person..place or thing...hellraiser box
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:46:00 PM): i like the box
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:46:13 PM): Ok an idea
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:46:18 PM): this would really mean that chapter one may be chapter 2
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:46:46 PM): and one may need to be character drivin with a flashback to creation and the masks
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:47:02 PM): I see what you mean
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:47:52 PM): i know i am just trying to jog myself...
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:48:30 PM): This is difficult. We're basically trying to find our spine [pun haha]
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:49:15 PM): spine?
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:49:40 PM): Spine as in the backbone of the book that everything falls back to as well as the spine of book [bookspine]
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:49:54 PM): :P
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:49:55 PM): dig
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:50:46 PM): btw feel free to delete any items from the blog
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:50:58 PM): some things were put there for laughs
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:51:09 PM): k
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:52:34 PM): Ok random idea. Rune power and technology create a lifeform. It's an eye. This eye is passed down from generation
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:52:36 PM): to generation and houses the memory of the masks
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:52:57 PM): Yes an eye....as in people remove their eye and this one is put in it's place
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:53:11 PM): i like that
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:53:12 PM): totally random brainstorming
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:53:22 PM): this is leading in the right direction
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:54:03 PM): if it is an object then people would covet the object
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:54:09 PM): hence creating conflict
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:54:12 PM): hence war
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:54:16 PM): attachment
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:54:19 PM): Isn't that overdone?
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:54:31 PM): divisivness
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:54:35 PM): perhaps
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:55:02 PM): The eye of eternity. Holds the memory of the masks
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:55:04 PM): i have an idea
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:55:09 PM): shoot
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:55:29 PM): its a fictisious branc of science that i call anthiogenetics
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:55:47 PM): let me pull my notes for the general theme
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:56:27 PM): I think I've got it!
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:56:56 PM): Ok so when the 4 masks are released their chains are all kept in tact except fracture
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:57:09 PM): What if a small part of the chain landed on earth
forrestjones2010 (1/22/2010 11:57:36 PM): go on
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:58:22 PM): Not sure what shape it would take but this would hold all the memories of creation and this could be where the runes are discovered the are the
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:58:27 PM): building blocks of all things
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:59:41 PM): That would tie into that story I wrote before.
cagedmind0531 (1/22/2010 11:59:46 PM): About the rune guy
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:00:46 AM): i like that piece
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:01:10 AM): It has alot of good visuals in it at the very least
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:02:07 AM): true
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:03:10 AM): ok i found my notes on anthiogenes
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:03:29 AM): let me rattle for a second i will try to condesne it as much as possible
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:04:17 AM): it might seem incoherent at first because i am taking it out of context but bear with me a moment
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:04:23 AM): ok
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:04:26 AM): Integration:

The reasons I dont believe in magic or spells that pertain to the preemption of another's free will. I dont believe any being, even God himself, has the power to preempt free will in any form. This is the prime genator of why we are here.

forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:04:42 AM): Anthiogenetics is the key to total integration and what I mean be integration is the melding together of a multiplicity of fragmented ideas into a whole a composite back into a foundation that we have forgotten or repressed intentionally or otherwise.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:05:06 AM): Take art or writing as an example. I write stories in oft times tiny pieces and at other times in massive stroke but never from start to finish. I also believe myself to not be unique in this trait. I believe this to be part of the human condition. There a few that have these abilities on some level but lack them in other areas. Disintegrated in some parts of their psyche while integrated in others.

forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:05:45 AM): Time assists with integration but is not the sole cause. Anthiogens also aid as a catalyst to this integration but are again not the cuase but closer to an antedote to the situation than the technology of time alone. Make no mistake that time is a simple technology, a damned stubborn one, but a technology none the less. Anthiogenes are a cleaner more precise technology with clearer, faster end outcomes but no different from the end cause should one choose to employ only time.

forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:06:22 AM): Think of this in increments of lifetimes to shrink and gather your perspective. One generall has 70 or so years of natural life. Anthiogenesis allows for 70 years of time to be collapsed down to approximately 14 minutes thus allowing one to "experience"(i would rather use the word "live"d) a different incarnation of themselves every 14 minutes as opposed to every 70 years. Nothing in the normal knowledge acquisition or education would be lost in this process, only shrunk down like a hard drive compression and spread up. The math would be such: 70 years equals 36,792,000 minutes divided by 14 you have the ability to compress 2,628,000 of your life experience into one lifetime.

cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:07:05 AM): That's interesting
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:07:24 AM): Take as an example the act of reincarnation and apply it to Anthiogens the only tangible items we transport from one life to another are these Anthigens that are imprisoned inside of our pineal glands our tripple helixed DNA. It takes us near a lifetime to re-integrate them into the whole of our psyche. There is a faster way for this integration and the study of Antiogentics will lend the human condition to further, faster light.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:08:15 AM):
Anthiogeneisis: Is the dicipline that will run as a common thread to wed Science back to Religion after its long divorce. It will unite Hawking radition with string theory as well as Egyptology with Mystic Buddism. It is the Circulatory system that has been dying of lukemia that is about to be restored back to its place so that we will achieve and understand all parts of integration on all scales and levels.


forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:08:21 AM): and one last piece
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:08:57 AM): these can be shared at will between sentient beings like a hybrid between drugs and computer sofware
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:09:11 AM): and they have rules that go with them that govern them
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:09:53 AM): a character could find the lost Anthiogenes of the masks
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:10:18 AM): plug it into their system...observe and then begin to participate
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:10:25 AM): i'm done
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:11:03 AM): Memory being attached to DNA is really interesting
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:12:16 AM): i have never heard of it before anywhere...it came to me in a dream...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:12:26 AM): Cool
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:13:08 AM): it is attached to the pineal system...third eye (that ofcourse is not mine)
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:13:16 AM): i found some science to back it up
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:13:43 AM): there are some simple rules that go with it like...one has to consent
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:13:48 AM): they cant be hijacked
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:13:57 AM): commom social sex rules
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:14:10 AM): they are shared romantically
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:14:18 AM): or like commodities on markets
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:15:14 AM): We could start in the future and work backward using that method but I don't know.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:16:01 AM): its just an idea
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:16:35 AM): linear is fine but if you want action a time flip might have to occur
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:17:17 AM): I like the idea. Just thinking of how it would change into something I know nothing about. Writing about the future.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:17:45 AM): One question.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:18:05 AM): What's in it for someone who wants the memories of creation? Just knowledge? Some kind of power?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:22:39 AM): brb
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:22:41 AM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:27:08 AM): k
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:27:32 AM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:28:35 AM): ku klux klan
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:28:38 AM): :P
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:29:15 AM): thats the thing you never really write about the future
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:29:51 AM): everyplace you write about is taking place in the now...you just lace it together with whatever the mechanism is
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:30:00 AM): anywho...the question
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:30:51 AM): i would think knowlege...philisophical
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:31:17 AM): i would almost want to leave this vauge...it would be more reflexive of the current human condition
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:31:25 AM): some want it for power
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:31:28 AM): some for glory
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:31:37 AM): others for a way out
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:31:38 AM): Yeah I can see that
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:31:42 AM): ad infinatum
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:33:54 AM): It's going to be hard to call this a creation story if the creation part only takes place in the background
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:35:04 AM): great point
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:36:06 AM): An archeologist could find something and be telling the story or something...I don't know
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:37:13 AM): no need to force it...that part will come...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:37:15 AM): Have you read the bible?
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:37:34 AM): What makes Genesis so interesting?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:02 AM): yes...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:20 AM): its characters and their blunders
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:25 AM): its fall
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:38:31 AM): hmm
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:33 AM): its banishment
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:37 AM): and betrayal
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:49 AM): by a God who is supposed to love his creation
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:38:57 AM): it is a great divorce story
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:39:15 AM): get the fuck out my garden and dont come back
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:39:46 AM): by the way here are 2 flaming angels with death swords that will cut ya if ya tries to come back
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:39:46 AM): What if the 4 masks are not released but rather plot their exodus
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:40:04 AM): the creator never knows they are alive
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:40:09 AM): and stay out...bitches
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:40:19 AM): lol
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:40:54 AM): hmmm
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:41:21 AM): brainstorming still I don't know
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:42:01 AM): I truly think we need a 'creation of the universe' chapter at the very least. Then we can use vessels to the story of life and it's history
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:42:21 AM): It can be a Prologue
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:43:01 AM): It needs some intrigue and betrayal
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:43:08 AM): The master betrayed by his creations
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:43:10 AM): kinda thing
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:45:18 AM): This is so difficult
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:45:55 AM): yeah we can let it go for a while...it will come...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:46:08 AM): like a good women...when youre not even lookin
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:46:40 AM): I don't understand how people can write and write and write nonstop
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:48:24 AM): blessing and a curse
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:48:27 AM): as they say
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:48:53 AM): I feel like I could do it eventually. I just feel like there is a barrier I am working against
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:51:00 AM): I love the idea of Fracture creating life by trying to destroy it
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:51:05 AM): That part is good
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:51:42 AM): when i cant write i draw
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:52:10 AM): i find that it helps to have multiple projects because whn i am stumped on one i flow an another
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:52:21 AM): and yest the fracture part is good
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:52:36 AM): I want to train myself to stick to something and finish it
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:52:44 AM): I am HORRIBLE about not finishing projects
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:52:49 AM): do you agree that we need a mechanism to jump? because if you dont i can all be linear
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:53:17 AM): i finish most things i start these days...not so much in the past
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:53:24 AM): feels good to get em done
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:53:46 AM): if you get stumped i will pick up the writing
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:53:47 AM): I'm not sure. I really want the creation chapter to work. It's our backbone.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:54:03 AM): just let me know...and dont stress over it
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:54:12 AM): then lets work it
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:54:16 AM): Thanks man
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:54:32 AM): i m in it for the fun these days
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:54:49 AM): most of the asshole in me has died these days
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:55:00 AM): You were never an asshole to me
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:55:02 AM): if it aint fun i'm done
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:55:08 AM): i think i was
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:57:05 AM): I hope you think this stuff is fun because it's an important project to me.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:58:28 AM): it is amazing god fun
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:58:31 AM): good
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:58:35 AM): OH!
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:58:38 AM): I have an idea
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 12:59:03 AM): holograph
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:59:10 AM): What if instead of the masks story being told in a vacuum we have an old man telling the creation story to some kids
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 12:59:14 AM): or something like that
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:00:26 AM): that would bring it to life
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:00:38 AM): But then there are alot of questions to answer
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:00:52 AM): What era is the story? Who is telling it? How does he know?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:01:25 AM): sure but allot of that can be left open ended to the interpretation of the reader
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:04:57 AM): i can totally see an unrelated chapter open then close and be loosely hinged to the creation myth then in another chapter go full on into ...this is how we came to be...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:06:00 AM): hmm
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:06:18 AM): for instance
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:07:05 AM): siren i am tired of fighting in the god forsaken war...why the hell are we here anyway...she throws water on him slapps him around a bit and then goes into the masks
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:07:17 AM): silly example but it intoduces dialouge
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:07:30 AM): dynamism
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:08:57 AM): thinking
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:09:13 AM): galactic chakras
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:09:36 AM): btw stay away from anything remotely connected to 2012
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:09:45 AM): ha why is that?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:10:05 AM): it is getting way over done...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:10:14 AM): oh yeah obviously
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:10:39 AM): the closer it gets the more acute and asinine it will become...barney the dinosaur will be welcomed back
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:10:54 AM): :P
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:11:59 AM): you know on a very simple level that just came to me is that the story so far lacks nouns
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:12:07 AM): we have masks
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:12:14 AM): obolisk
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:12:17 AM): sp
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:12:39 AM): Yeah no doubt
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:12:54 AM): i dont know why i am just now realizing this
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:13:10 AM): i get caught up in the flow of it and it rocks
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:13:17 AM): i just forget about the nouns
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:13:20 AM): now i want nouns
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:13:25 AM): Me too
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:13:25 AM): anywho
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:13:50 AM): does anyone fall in love
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:13:57 AM): is anyone murdered
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:14:34 AM): does an egyptian pharoh get cloned and groomed to assassinane obama
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:14:49 AM): lol
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:15:30 AM): a thought
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:16:23 AM): if we meld the chrome and the ind we have 7 or so chapters...odds are while writing the whole it would be to large when completed and we could extract the creation at the end
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:16:40 AM): not as dificult as it may sound
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:16:56 AM): the other day i asked you about liniages
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:17:05 AM): who comes from whom
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:17:15 AM): Yeah
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:17:31 AM): if we know how they act the characters would virtually write themselves
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:17:36 AM): just rambling
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:17:53 AM): THe diagram tells you
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:18:11 AM): exactly
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:18:32 AM): i wrote the chrome to get back to the ind
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:18:44 AM): really? that's cool
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:18:58 AM): graven
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:19:22 AM): remember that name
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:19:26 AM): Yeah I do
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:19:28 AM): i think that was your idea
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:19:38 AM): Yeah I think that name was
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:19:50 AM): great name
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:20:41 AM): I think we should have a pirate on whom the shadow crow perches
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:21:22 AM): arrrggg
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:21:28 AM): It's wooden leg could be the timeline!
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:23:39 AM): Would it be blasphemous to put 'In the beginning' at the start of him telling the masks story?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:24:13 AM): no that is not balsphemous...its dmn funny though
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:24:18 AM): damn
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:25:10 AM): In the beginning the creator saw a the vast ocean of eternity, it's silver waters hypnotizing to the eye.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:25:19 AM): rambling
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:25:24 AM): visually what if the masks were raised high above like the big staues in lots on the river in 2
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:26:02 AM): far above but still visible from the ground and revered but not understood
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:26:17 AM): i have a tie in to the chrome
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:26:21 AM): That could be cool
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:27:05 AM): One thing I don't like is the masks talking...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:27:10 AM): I thought about it
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:27:12 AM): first off the chrome's main feature is to travel through time and space to find the greatest weapons ever created and used to bring back to the great war
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:27:15 AM): It takes away their mystique
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:28:04 AM): what if the masks and the knowledge of them was the greatest weapon and finally the war would be over...it would reach the ind
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:28:31 AM): in the ind you would finally know the beginning
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:28:55 AM): in essence with this perspective you have writting the last chapter first
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:29:11 AM): which would explain how backwards most true artist are
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:29:24 AM): thats a compliment and not a slam
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:29:26 AM): btw
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:29:39 AM): I like the idea but I am unfamiliar with all the work you did on the Chrome.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:29:48 AM): its just a thought
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:30:04 AM): and yes...no talking masks
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:30:10 AM): Glad you agree\
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:30:28 AM): It makes it seem like Clash of the Titans or something
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:32:52 AM): Coggin and Goethe walk into the night together their faces glowing from the clyreum from the secatia trees. The dark, moist-hot air of Disiderata did not possess a burdensome sentiment on this night; it was rather fluid and rejuvenating. The porcine burlesque trees swayed back and forth with the intent to partake in the city’s festivities. Goethe’s home is deep within the city in a catacomb type structure of modest first glance, it is a curvilinear imperfect dome type dwelling, very thick and green. There is a covering of large leaves that are sewn together in random fashion on top of several adjoining cylindrical cones to make a conglomerate shape that resembles the composite eye of an insect. The leaves that fashion the pieces together are garnered from the secatia trees that a
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:33:47 AM): I remember that before, that's from the festival stuff right?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:34:04 AM): ooh my i just found some of our really old notes and conversations
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:34:12 AM): i think so
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:34:41 AM): One thing I think you and I have a problem with
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:34:55 AM): yes
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:35:12 AM): Too much description and not enough movement. Description kinda makes things static if you aren't careful
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:35:23 AM): Know what I mean?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:35:27 AM): yes
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:35:53 AM): in my latest writings there is tons of action...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:36:21 AM): the opening scen is a blast fuck shoot out with blood and death everywhere
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:36:31 AM): haha
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:36:52 AM): did you read chapter one of the chrome?
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:37:41 AM): I skimmed it but I haven't read it yet. I will do so either tonight or tomorrow.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:38:09 AM): I read a chapter that was posted or something all the way through
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:39:01 AM): Do you have a link to your most recent revision?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:39:33 AM): www.thechromenovel.com
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:39:46 AM): let me tell you this though
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:39:58 AM): ?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:40:25 AM): i dont want to merge the 2 for the sake of merging them...its just a thought...the ind is more than strong enough to stand on its own
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:40:36 AM): alrighty
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:41:36 AM): i just found a 250 page document of our conversations from 2004
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:41:40 AM): wow
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:41:45 AM): haha
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:42:40 AM): something i have learned while writing the chrome
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:44:43 AM): as soon as i found the mechanism for motion it literally writes itself
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:44:59 AM): Yeah I have a huge problem with static.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:45:03 AM): it became more like a collage that
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:45:39 AM): gave me permission to put in all or any of my incomplete projects into
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:45:51 AM): its the threading that is so fun
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:45:58 AM): anywho
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:46:27 AM): Seems like it would be. Sucks to have any kind of wasted work.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:46:58 AM): i think if we wait the device will pop up...until then descript away i love what you are doing
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:47:55 AM): Do you think writing so poetically as you do will hurt the ability to find an audience or help it? or is that not a thought?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:49:16 AM): it isnt a huge concern...but i have learned how turn it into narration...after you read the chrome tell me if you still think its all poetry...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:49:36 AM): I will. I try to be honest with you all the time.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:49:45 AM): i know
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:50:25 AM): One thing I have noticed is I think the Chrome is overused
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:50:30 AM): Need synonyms
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:50:34 AM): or something
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:52:16 AM): Chrome was used over 80 times in these pages.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:52:38 AM): sure...then again it may just be a place holder
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:52:46 AM): Yeah I figured as much
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:52:49 AM): gotcha
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:53:41 AM): Ok I have a project for you.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:54:18 AM): k
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:54:29 AM): Write chapter 1 in the same way only using moderate levels of description and from the viewpoint of an old man who knows exactly what happened
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:54:56 AM): We can add later when the old man is alive etc.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:55:03 AM): same way as what? the chrome
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:55:17 AM): No I didn't mean same way sorry. Let me reword that
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:56:04 AM): Write chapter 1 using what I wrote about the masks through the viewpoint of an old man, and how an old man would describe it to an audience
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:56:28 AM): Tough task I know but I don't know that I can do it.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:58:37 AM): before we force a rewrite lets give it a few days to see what other ideas stand out
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:58:48 AM): Ok sounds good
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 1:59:07 AM): i found your old RPG notes
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 1:59:20 AM): Yeah I really wish we could make that game
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:03:52 AM): This project is so ambitious. I mean normal people start off with something less obtuse
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:04:47 AM): normal is for suckers
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:05:12 AM): haha
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:05:39 AM): I wanna be rich. That way I can just create the rest of my life.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:05:43 AM): That would be nice.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:05:57 AM): hmm
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:08:23 AM): So I can't decide how to finish my painting now
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:09:09 AM): so close
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:10:36 AM): You see the new pics?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:11:00 AM): where are they fb?
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:11:08 AM): yeah
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:11:15 AM): where did the artifact come from?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:11:30 AM): what if the artifact was the mechanism
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:11:44 AM): he records it
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:11:54 AM): The artifact is the union of runic and technology
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:12:31 AM): purgatory one of its methods is a time traveling zombie
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:12:34 AM): super fun
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:12:55 AM): haha
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:14:10 AM): oh and check this his name is
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:14:15 AM): The Time Zombie
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:14:19 AM): lol
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:14:26 AM): original
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:15:04 AM): it is so simple and childlike in its creation that it is profound...simple...and badass all at the same time
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:17:50 AM): How long are you going to be in Austin?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:18:36 AM): if my friend isnt well by morning we may not go...but if we do i will be there unti l sunday night
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:19:21 AM): alrighty
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:22:42 AM): What do you do in Austin anyway?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:23:18 AM): i have friends there...we are really going to has out where we are on purgatory
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:23:36 AM): Cool
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:24:42 AM): its a bizzaro cool project...want to check out the writing?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:24:53 AM): The one I am working on is called
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:25:01 AM): I am Devil Bird
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:25:07 AM): sure
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:26:47 AM): sent to cagedmind0531@yahoo.com
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:28:09 AM): i am headed to bed homey...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:28:20 AM): good brainstorming with you...like old times
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:28:27 AM): for sure
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 2:28:29 AM): alrighty man, keep safe this weekend
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:28:34 AM): u2
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 2:28:37 AM): f out
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 3:37:07 PM): How goes dude
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:48:13 PM): Just woke up...lazy day...austin was cancelled...my friend got to my house a was sick...bad sick with ffo poisoning...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:48:39 PM): Dude do you have a sec? I wrote something and need an opinion
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:49:27 PM): Yes
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:49:37 PM): Posting to the site
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:50:01 PM): K...will get on now
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:54:01 PM): thats badass ..By the hells it burns!...me likes...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:54:40 PM): So I'm thinking this is how the shard is found and ultimately he will be an old man who slams the shard into his sons eye, and so on etc.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:55:48 PM): this is very unique...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:55:54 PM): In a good way?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:56:30 PM): yes in a good way...its like an indian lore story
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:56:54 PM): lone wolf dancing flame eye speaks
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:57:00 PM): Ok I can write the events and so on but I am going to need you to go back and add dialogue because it's not something I am good at.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:57:19 PM): consider it done
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:57:57 PM): So you think this can be the vessel we were talking about? I definitely feel a movement forward now.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:58:14 PM): if you can just put (add dialouge here) in the text i will go back and do it like you have done with the visuals
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:58:29 PM): Sounds good
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 4:59:04 PM): so the shard makes him a seer or what is it going to do to him
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 4:59:38 PM): It's going to grant him visions. By the way he is a rune being...which is going to have to be worked out somehow.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 5:00:17 PM): Maybe the eye can grant him the power to see the runes in everything
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 5:00:53 PM): thats fine and yes if he holds the vision than he can narrate...thats it forward motion...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 5:02:47 PM): i gotta run for a bit...wil be back on later
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 5:02:52 PM): alrighty man
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 5:03:26 PM): peace
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 5:03:39 PM): Message me when you get back on
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 5:03:45 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 6:59:38 PM): Phatom Gaia
Xerxes Box
Four dark masks
Chained to rock
Crow flies by
Shard comes from sky
Graven full of prophet doom
Runes advance
tribes no longer bow to moon
Siren embedded far in time distant
Phantom Gaia
Xerxes Box

The IND
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:00:10 PM): Interesting..I like it.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:02:38 PM): just dooding
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:02:45 PM): You back?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:02:49 PM): yup
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:05:29 PM): I'm real excited about this new idea but I don't know how to mark him as an ether being and not human. At what point do I make that aparent.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:05:34 PM): apparent*
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:05:55 PM): At one point he sees his reflection. I was thinking that might work
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:05:59 PM): keep in vague for now
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:06:07 PM): perfect
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:06:26 PM): Let me post what I have. I wrote some more. Has a bit of dialogue
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:06:37 PM): k
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:07:11 PM): Posted
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:16:09 PM): looks like we have our vector and one hell of an opening...the seer works great for movement...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:16:50 PM): I think we could make Graven the last manaform[runic guy] before Gaia
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:18:45 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:19:22 PM): the flame from the sky lends itself to a story told in the future about the past too...like a legend
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:19:39 PM): lots of versitility with visuals and narrative
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:20:32 PM): I can see how it can evolve from here but how do we tell about the history of the runic guys when that's the era where the story takes place
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:23:09 PM): Graven could be a biology teacher :p
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:23:26 PM): we can switch vectors when the time comes...another event can lead to another having insight into another area...not the same insights as Graven but enough to tell things about the runic from a third party...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:23:36 PM): lol
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:25:11 PM): Graven can be around for a long time because if the ether guys live till they have no purpose...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:25:22 PM): Graven will have a purpose for a long time if he has the shard
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:25:41 PM): sweet...and the shard..is that Fracture?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:25:48 PM): a peice of Fracture
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:25:54 PM): It's a part of the chain that held fracture
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:25:58 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:26:10 PM): molten mercury...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:26:22 PM): But because it's part of what the creator made, it has alot of his memories as well
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:26:50 PM): morphic resonance...dig
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:27:01 PM): resonance, I like that word
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:28:45 PM): youtube rupert sheldrake...he talks about things and events having memory...he coined morphic resonance
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:28:49 PM): neat guy
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:29:53 PM): So at some point graven will start seeing the runes inherent in all things and then I will incorporate and splice the story I wrote about him
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:30:48 PM): nice work Jason
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:31:10 PM): Thanks. Been wracking my brain past few days. I was kind of upset. Lost direction
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:32:32 PM): "They walk next to the silent Soliton in someway creating as their creator himself also creates in some sort of mimicry shadow dance. "
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:32:46 PM): That is really perfect for the book
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:33:04 PM): use it
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:33:30 PM): You write in so many metaphors man. It's so beautiful but it's kind of hard to follow
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:35:42 PM): yeah that was a poem...i can write straight to
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:35:44 PM): too
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:35:48 PM): :)
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:36:03 PM): Oh I didn't realize it was supposed to be a poem. I thought it was a narrative.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:36:08 PM): That makes alot more sense
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:36:46 PM): You are a crazy good poet. Where the hell you get these images you describe I will never know
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:36:52 PM): one way i write is in poem format...then i come back and flesh out whatever story i am working on
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:37:08 PM): the metaphors for me are like a common denominator in math
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:37:29 PM): i come back and do the long formula when i am ready for that particular piece
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:37:36 PM): I see
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:37:42 PM): thanks
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:38:33 PM): I will be busy the next two days or so. You interested in doing some writing?
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:38:59 PM): yes
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:39:55 PM): So those initial two pages need to be continued and I don't want it as poetic as we made the masks story. I want it tangible.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:40:16 PM): We need a clear story that uses the masks as poetic interlude
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:41:22 PM): It needs to be about Graven starting to see runes and when he dreams randomly go to chapter 1 about the masks and splice what is appropriate.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:41:41 PM): ok
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:42:21 PM): I'd like to use alot of Chapter one but honestly that was yesterday and I understand alot of it is now hash work that was done to get to this
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:42:22 PM): point
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:43:43 PM): hash work?
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:44:04 PM): Work done in the past to build up to where we are now
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:44:10 PM): Hashing things out so to speak
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:44:38 PM): k
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:45:30 PM): I'm excited. This is the closest we have come to being accessible to the average reader.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:45:41 PM): As far as the Ind is concerned
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:46:10 PM): by the time we are through it will be condesnsed and completely accessible
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:46:27 PM): i am done with being intentionally vauge
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:46:40 PM): i am glad you bring out the accessable part
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:47:24 PM): I think this is why we work well together.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:47:52 PM): indeed
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:48:48 PM): lol I looked up the word 'hash' to make sure I was using it write and this is a sentence for one of the definitions
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:48:56 PM): Her blunt reply really settled my hash.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:48:57 PM): rofl
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:49:08 PM): right*
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:50:04 PM): Those silly dictionary people
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:51:13 PM): lol
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:51:23 PM): burn em at tha stake
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:51:53 PM): what do you think about when you hear the word order?
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:52:05 PM): hmmm
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:53:04 PM): I don't know really. I think of like the Freemasons or Templars...you know like an order
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:53:12 PM): But that's not the definition we are working with
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:53:50 PM): oooh!
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:53:54 PM): a command of a court or judge.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:53:58 PM): a judge...hmmm
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:54:11 PM): looking at the definitions
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:55:07 PM): Order is probably the hardest one in my opinion
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:55:19 PM): To draw
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:56:31 PM): i am drawing it now
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:56:33 PM): :)
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:56:41 PM): What do you have in mind?
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:57:25 PM): organized is one meaning
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:58:02 PM): soi have the face drawn in a half mask from a frontal view but i have not decorated the mask
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:58:02 PM): control, rightness, uprightness
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:58:21 PM): Cool
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:58:32 PM): Eventually we will need a front view of all the masks
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:58:36 PM): i am using joseph stalin as my model
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:58:39 PM): For the paintings I will do
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:58:43 PM): early 20's stalin
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:58:49 PM): haha
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 7:58:57 PM): right
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 7:59:38 PM): I can 'try' to take your drawings and do a frontal view but it's gonna be tough from a profile.I can certainly try though.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:01:37 PM): OOOH! I found a good mask template
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:01:39 PM): keep this in mind...we dont need to try to match styles on the art... i think the writing need cohesion but go nuts with the art...make whatever the hell you feel like and we will put it in somewhere...when we try to make things a certain way...i get stifled
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:02:00 PM): That sounds great
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:02:09 PM): the first mask was a bit of an anolmoly
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:02:12 PM): sp
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:02:25 PM): i had no idea it was going to come out that way
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:02:33 PM): http://www.nfvproducts.com/images/SiLucia/Full%20%20Face%20Mardi%20Gras.jpg
Start Photo Sharing
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:02:40 PM): i can not with sanity match that with everything i do
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:02:57 PM): I understand
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:03:06 PM): i think that is why i havent drawn much since that one...actually i have it just doesnt compare
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:03:56 PM): sweet...i have a ton of those masks i am using
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:04:19 PM): google image gil bruvel
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:04:42 PM): Cool
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:07:27 PM): oh wow...i think I found a possible order i have already created...
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:07:33 PM): will post in a sec
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:07:35 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:08:57 PM): i made this for purgatory but decided not to use it there...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:09:07 PM): k
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:09:16 PM): posted
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:09:26 PM): I see it. It's real fuzzy
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:10:02 PM): keep in mind we will need many and various images
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:10:09 PM): True
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:10:23 PM): i dont believe this is THE order or it could be another bur an order
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:11:18 PM): i will leave it in the bank as a potential for down the road...btw if you are ever reviewing the temp blog...delete whatever is distracting or doesnt need to be there
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:11:58 PM): i will just throw things on it from time to time when i am thinking about the ind
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:12:25 PM): but i am not attached to any theng on the temp blog...i am only concerned with talking about the permanent blog
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:13:17 PM): Alrighty. I just keep everything up there in case I need some inspiration
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:13:28 PM): k
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:17:17 PM): btw I finally figured out how to finish my painting thanks to you
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:17:31 PM): What you said about keeping more then 1 project going.
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:17:44 PM): I got stumped so I started writing then it hit me how to finish the painting
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:18:10 PM): cool...
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:19:57 PM): I think using the moon for entropy and the sun for order will work great
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:20:03 PM): just an idea
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:21:07 PM): For the decorations on each
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:21:54 PM): hmmm
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:22:33 PM): or just shapes in general
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:23:46 PM): i am getting somewhere with order...will post what i have
cagedmind0531 (1/23/2010 8:32:37 PM): Gotta go for now. Keep safe dude.
forrestjones2010 (1/23/2010 8:33:00 PM): k..nite
forrestjones2010 (1/24/2010 12:19:16 AM): yahoo erased our last conversation...do you know how to retrieve history?
forrestjones2010 (1/24/2010 12:19:30 AM): if not message me with what you wanted me to write
forrestjones2010 (1/24/2010 12:19:36 AM): catch you later
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cagedmind0531 (1/24/2010 12:42:08 AM): So those initial two pages need to be continued and I don't want it as poetic as we made the masks story. I want it tangible
cagedmind0531 (1/24/2010 12:42:29 AM): We need a clear story that uses the masks as poetic interlude
cagedmind0531 (1/24/2010 12:42:31 AM): It needs to be about Graven starting to see runes and when he dreams randomly go to chapter 1 about the masks and splice what is appropriate.
forrestjones2010 (1/24/2010 12:42:47 AM): Thanks
cagedmind0531 (1/24/2010 12:42:50 AM): Np bob
forrestjones2010 (1/24/2010 12:45:45 AM): Got it...if you are able will you post our last whole connversation to blogn
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cagedmind0531 (1/24/2010 12:49:41 AM): I'll post it tomorrow good sir. Going to bed for now. Not sure how to copy it all, I'll have to tinker with it.