convo 3.3.2010

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forrestjones2010
you there?
cagedmind0531
here now
sorry
Nah messenger is fine I was just afk a sec
forrestjones2010
no prob thought messenger was acting up
k
cagedmind0531
What's kickin chicken
forrestjones2010
getting geared up for the night...been sick for 2 days
cagedmind0531
Sorry to hear that man
forrestjones2010
no worries better now lets roll
cagedmind0531
let me post the latest
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
posted
Chapter 8
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
Man once we work out what a chapter is about I can write it in like 2 days
forrestjones2010
wow
i am good at the plot and brainstorming part but execution has been a problem for me lately
cagedmind0531
Well that
that's why ya got me
forrestjones2010
but i feel like i am not pulling my weight again
cagedmind0531
You've been super busy
I understand
forrestjones2010
but it isnt fair to you
cagedmind0531
All I can ask is that you help when ya can dude. No worries seriously. I am cool with doing most of the writing so long as we work out the chapte
chapters
forrestjones2010
ok...you want me to read straight through for content first?
cagedmind0531
Just the page and a half I just posted then you're good
forrestjones2010
k
love the name of the city btw
cagedmind0531
Yeah just a place holder
forrestjones2010
keep it
cagedmind0531
grabbing a drink
forrestjones2010
k
this is some good stuffs sir...blind coral
rocks
cagedmind0531
back
blind coral a problem?
forrestjones2010
no its great
cagedmind0531
I thought for a minute it might be overdone but I didn't make a big deal out of the fact she's blind
Just kind of an afterthought
forrestjones2010
works for me
cagedmind0531
I was going to have Graven's daughter fall in love with Veyn, since he's basically been her protector all her life
forrestjones2010
what takes place right before the dissection scene and how long does that need to be?
Gaias death
cagedmind0531
It can be short and it takes place right after...
forrestjones2010
i am writing that tonight
cagedmind0531
hmm trying to find the spot one sec
forrestjones2010
k ty
k
cagedmind0531
hmmm not sure exactly where to put it
You need to finish describing all Siren's upgrades briefly btw. Just in 1 paragraph give her 4 upgrades but still have her largely human
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
I knew exactly where to put the dissection now I'm not so sure
forrestjones2010
i'll write it and we will find it later
cagedmind0531
You been getting some work done on the Billy project? i was starting to feel guilty about that
forrestjones2010
allot actualy
i got a full page completed
something noone has done yet
except me
cagedmind0531
awesome
forrestjones2010
and i got 2 new songs done
1 fully recorded
with canan this weekend
so i put in some good time on it
cagedmind0531
That's cool
forrestjones2010
as well as builot up the potfolio
Austin got me realligned
after we get this novel done i want you to jump on the billy train if you are interested
its allot of fun
cagedmind0531
I might be interested in that.
forrestjones2010
Jimmy already likes you allot
cagedmind0531
I talk to him almost every day lately. Briefly
wait not jimmy
forrestjones2010
good...he is an awesome guy...we are all allot alike
cagedmind0531
jesse
my bad
forrestjones2010
right
cagedmind0531
or is that him?
forrestjones2010
i think he goes by that now
same person
call hime jesse
cagedmind0531
He says we can use venice but we would have to explain it's origin or we can simply change the name and describe it as venice
forrestjones2010
we are coming to TN this summer so be ready
Blinky conference
cagedmind0531
Ok so chapter 8
This is gonna be tough because there is nothing that needs to happen storywise
It's kind of a side quest chapter
forrestjones2010
puppy cock
there is tons happening
cagedmind0531
Such as...
forrestjones2010
or is it poppy cock
cagedmind0531
poppy
;p;
lol
forrestjones2010
The Book of IND is no small book
we need 5 chapters devoted to it at least
cagedmind0531
I do not want it to be a morality book at all.
forrestjones2010
jj
cagedmind0531
I don't mind it being a big deal and eating a whole chapter but I don't want it to deal with morality. We are already dealing with morality on many levels
forrestjones2010
screw morality...morality be damned
i was thinking more on the lined of theoretical physics
but etherian style
wax hawkin on that ass
explain the universe...some spells on how time travel
cagedmind0531
Do we really want more time travel then we have already?
It's already getting difficult to write
forrestjones2010
i am just rambling
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
this is how i get my mojo flo flo
i need chiclets brb
back
cagedmind0531
k
forrestjones2010
ok what era are we in now entropy?
cagedmind0531
No
Forge
Unless we are writing about Siren
Then it's entropy
forrestjones2010
gotcha thanks
so Forge...build build build
cagedmind0531
right
forrestjones2010
has Axis flahsed back to the mask of forge?
cagedmind0531
Nope
forrestjones2010
there is a possibility
cagedmind0531
hmm
We need some action
Something bad happens
Or something good that creates problems
What if
The book is cursed
forrestjones2010
thats a thought
thinking
cagedmind0531
Like what if the book was supposed to help people but for every person it helps something bad happens
forrestjones2010
iboga had half the book coral had the other half
together it is complete but for what is its true "purpsoe"
cagedmind0531
Did you read the part where 28 years passed or whatever in the time it took for him to scribe the book?
forrestjones2010
yes
cagedmind0531
That too much time?
forrestjones2010
loved it
no its perfect
i wanted it to be difficult
what do you think about a dark and light half?
of the book of ind
cagedmind0531
hmm who would notice the book was incomplete? Coral?
she's blind
forrestjones2010
coral doesnt know a darn thing she was only a medium
graven is the one who pieces it together
i boga would have known if he would have ever gonr into her cell
gone
cagedmind0531
ok so Graven begins to realize the book is only half or rather is the shadow of the true book
forrestjones2010
or maybe there are 4 pieces to the book and one is discovered in each age
cagedmind0531
only 3 ages
Fracture doesn't have an age
forrestjones2010
ok 3 pieces
cagedmind0531
It's everywhere
OOOH! I like this idea
So one is scribed from a rune entity
Coral
One is scribed in English from someone in the spirit age
one is scribed in binary from the future
forrestjones2010
The book of IND
cagedmind0531
Ok so let's start discussing who will write the 2nd part.
A human writes it
But whom
forrestjones2010
thinking
cagedmind0531
Ok what if it is written by a baby
That would mark it as a writing of forge, since forge is creation
or a pregnant woman could write it
forrestjones2010
lets let that one bake for a while
cagedmind0531
what happens when the book is complete
What if all of creation ends if the book isn't completed by the end of the third era
forrestjones2010
the masks and the storm crow come to dwell among the people and there is tranquility in all the land
i like yours better
cagedmind0531
gloom and doom!Q
forrestjones2010
rock on
cagedmind0531
So it becomes Graven mission in life to complete the book before the end of Entropy's time
forrestjones2010
yes
cagedmind0531
ok what if
Feinburg has to go back in time with Siren for some reason
And he's left behind
Somehow
and he writes it
random thought
forrestjones2010
interesting
i would almost want to se it written in a similar way as the first...by someone who is unaware that they are writing it
cagedmind0531
or unaware that they 'wrote' it
forrestjones2010
right
like an idiot sevant or something
tom cruise
cagedmind0531
lol what?
forrestjones2010
jj
cagedmind0531
What if
Several people have to write it
like instead of it taking 28 years
it takes less time depending on how many help to write it
forrestjones2010
what about AI
cagedmind0531
It has to be spirit
era 2 is forge
era 3 could be the AI writing it
forrestjones2010
k
what if it is encoded in the dna of a plant
cagedmind0531
their tech isn't that evolved yet
forrestjones2010
or something non traditional and feiny finds it
what if we just discover it while we are writing
so it is fun for all
cagedmind0531
What if Feinburg makes some discovery, discovers the book of Ind in a plant like you said, then betrays Peyton because it basically outlines what a soul is and that is part 2 of the book
forrestjones2010
i like this one most so far but there is more to it than even this
cagedmind0531
hmm
What if
A fruit blossoms from the tree. Whoever eats that fruit hallucinates book 2
forrestjones2010
i am liking this one even more
cagedmind0531
You just like hallucinations
forrestjones2010
i know
peep this
what if
during the dissections feiny discovers book 2 encrypted on Gaias pineal gland
her third eye
cagedmind0531
You have an obsession with pineal glands
forrestjones2010
but cant decode it without gravens
pineal gland juice buds
the pineal is the seat of the soul
it is the stargate to the soul
just a thought
and yes i do
you are obsessed with brunettes me with pineal glands
cagedmind0531
If we do make it a fruit it needs to be a pomegranite[spelling] and a woman needs to take it off the tree and give it to a man...or vice versa for irony
forrestjones2010
lost me
cagedmind0531
bible
the story about the apple or whatever
forrestjones2010
yeah lets not do that
cagedmind0531
Don't want to allude to it?
forrestjones2010
not really
cagedmind0531
k np
could be a mushroom instead
forrestjones2010
explain
cagedmind0531
I'm not a big fan of them finding it in the future btw
It's a book from the era of spirit, it should be able to be found in that time period and interpreted
forrestjones2010
but its inside a vessel of the past
cagedmind0531
That's true but there is no way someone in the past would interpret that
And that makes it rely on another era
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
we have three themes here
body/soul/mind
in that order
body was scribed from her blood
soul needs to be found similarly in the soul
mind needs to be found in consciousness
forrestjones2010
nice
cagedmind0531
and when we draw the diagram it is drawn as an arc because the soul is at the top of the pyramid
and therefore the most powerful
forrestjones2010
?
cagedmind0531
Like it's not a circle with each part playing an equal role
The soul should be the most important
lose ya?
forrestjones2010
kinda
cagedmind0531
ok scrub that then
forrestjones2010
no it sounded good
are you talking about our drawig?
cagedmind0531
yes
forrestjones2010
ok then i am with you
keep going
cagedmind0531
ok so basically each part has a pull, body and mind pull equally
soul is strongest and pulls harder
So anyway the 2nd part needs to come from the soul
Which means a vision, hallucination, or it's written by a spirit of a human
If it came from Gaia's body it would have to be physical
I am not opposed to the gland thing but if we do it that way
How does Graven get it?
Why would Feinburg give it to him
Plus if you think about it
Gaia isn't human
thoughts?
forrestjones2010
i was thinking gaia would only have half and graven being her soul mate would have the othet half
soul mate is cheesy i know
there is a better way
it will come
cagedmind0531
One sec I'm asking Jimmy's opinion
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
He's thinking. So anyway we are on the right track here
We're close
forrestjones2010
let it marinate
cagedmind0531
What if someone who is on life support, or who is close to death has to write it
forrestjones2010
OCD much

cagedmind0531
The saying about once you are close to death you can start to see into another plane kinda thing
forrestjones2010
sure
NDE
OBE
cagedmind0531
OBE?
forrestjones2010
out of body experience
cagedmind0531
yeah
OHHH idea
What if they take a sheet and put it over someone as they die and as the soul leaves the body it passes through the sheet and leaves an imprint
And that is a page
So every death is a page
But in order to find the paper they have to go on a quest to get it.
from a plant or something
forrestjones2010
hmmm
cagedmind0531
deathprints
forrestjones2010
another step in the right direction
i like deathprints
thats original
cagedmind0531
I like the sound of the word
forrestjones2010
it rocks
cagedmind0531
What about a candle. Every time a soul passes through it the wax you poor off of it writes the pages
forrestjones2010
what if it is mathematically in an area away from corals cell
cagedmind0531
explain that
forrestjones2010
we have lots of time in the era right
cagedmind0531
yes
forrestjones2010
how long do we want the book
cagedmind0531
320 is average right?
forrestjones2010
no the book of IND
cagedmind0531
oh
no clue
forrestjones2010
the second part
what if
we form a body of people that their soul job i to collect these death prints
they know the formula
they know the candidates
sometimes mistakes are made
cagedmind0531
They could be a cult...or what's a better word for a cult. Like an appointed group
forrestjones2010
pages are lost
it will not be a perfect copy
cagedmind0531
The Indprinted
That could be the name of the group

forrestjones2010
and someone will come along and complete it somehow later
INDentured servants
cagedmind0531
ROFL
forrestjones2010
INDbitches
cagedmind0531
Ok so I like this idea
Let's name the group
forrestjones2010
sweet black onions
cagedmind0531
rofl
The Ind Servants...as in The End Servants
Too bad we can't spell it both ways at once
forrestjones2010
Servants of The Ind
cagedmind0531
Spelling with an i or e?
forrestjones2010
I
why would we use E
cagedmind0531
We can do better then servants
forrestjones2010
sure
cagedmind0531
Acolytes of the Ind
A good Acronym would be nice
AotI
the Aoti
forrestjones2010
Atari
cagedmind0531

Being serious
forrestjones2010
no
cagedmind0531
does Aoti suck
?
Ae ot i
Ae ot ee
forrestjones2010
its hard to say
cagedmind0531
rather
ok let's get a good name with an acronym
forrestjones2010
we want it to mean what again
servant
cagedmind0531
basically but it can be any other word
Thesaurus time!
forrestjones2010
i am there
drugeling
cagedmind0531
I like this direction
A hidden society basically
forrestjones2010
i do too i am excited
cagedmind0531
People like secret societies
forrestjones2010
Emissary of The IND
Emissaries of The IND.
cagedmind0531
Eoti
ee ot ee?
forrestjones2010
that may work
EE OO TY
plenipotentiary of the ind
cagedmind0531
OOOh random idea
What if the word IND was it
and it was IND Notary Doormats, just typing that for format
That would confuse people even more about what IND means
lol
just being silly now
Let's think of the acronym first
and get the words second
I can find words
forrestjones2010
ok
cagedmind0531
I wish we could tell people how to pronounce a word
I don't want people walking around saying something stupid for a word we worked hard on
forrestjones2010
just say eoti, pronounced EE OO TEE,
cagedmind0531
cause Eoti is good
forrestjones2010
nothing saying you cant
cagedmind0531
Think they will get it right?
forrestjones2010
maybey
who knows
cagedmind0531
Emissaries of the Ind. I like it. It's alliteration
almost
forrestjones2010
ROCK
cagedmind0531
So...do you want to use paper or wax or what to make these deathprints
forrestjones2010
they have 49 minuets after death to capture the death print
cagedmind0531
personally I think wax sounds cool
forrestjones2010
how was the first on discovered and by whom?
cagedmind0531
The first book of Ind describes the process
forrestjones2010
nice
convienient too'
Gaia could be the first
no it would be way to late
cagedmind0531
Ok so let's discuss this process
forrestjones2010
we need a graveyard btw
cagedmind0531
I was thinking a special type of wax stores the etching. Then it is poured upon a certain type of paper...OR! the candle flame itself stores the page. You light a piece of paper on fire and what's left are the words
forrestjones2010
thats it
cagedmind0531
which one?
forrestjones2010
2nd one
i thought you were describing a 2 part process
cagedmind0531
oh
This sounds really intriguing
good direction
The entire chapter can be about the process and the formation of the order
forrestjones2010
ok
i think we have a chapter here
cagedmind0531
Just a few details to work out.
How are the people chosen?
forrestjones2010
right
cagedmind0531
What if they have to make their candle
And if they fail they don't get in
Candle can be really difficult to make
forrestjones2010
thinking
cagedmind0531
certain wick, certain wax ingredients
forrestjones2010
hmmmm
what about a caste system
cagedmind0531
I need to find out how wax is made
forrestjones2010
they are chosen from birth
cagedmind0531
Based on what?
Only kids who's mother dies in birth!
That would give them a closeness to death
forrestjones2010
random thought
whoever is the whiteest
cagedmind0531
haha racist
!
forrestjones2010
jj
cagedmind0531
yeah and initiates are nicknamed Casper
forrestjones2010
most teeth
cagedmind0531
rofl
forrestjones2010
chosen by their spiritual leader
cagedmind0531
You don't like the mom dies in birth thing?
forrestjones2010
thought you were joking
cagedmind0531
No being serious
forrestjones2010
elaborate
cagedmind0531
Only one who's birth coincides with a death can be one
Usually it's a child whose mom dies in childbirth
But not always
Only if the death occurs within a certain distance is the child marked
forrestjones2010
i like this
go with this
cagedmind0531
ok awesome
forrestjones2010
it didnt make sense at first just explain it like that
cagedmind0531
k will do
are there ranks in this order?
forrestjones2010
yes and specific reincarnation to carry on the work
cagedmind0531
elaborate
What if in ages of peace the order is allowed to kill someone at the birth of a baby in order to keep the order populated
forrestjones2010
the living guide the dying to their next incarnation...raise them back through their ranks again and back into their rightful position within the body
make sense
cagedmind0531
So how many are there in the order?
The number needs to be significant
and preferably not 4 again
I don't want to beat 4 to death
forrestjones2010
44
cagedmind0531
rofl
forrestjones2010
12
33
cagedmind0531
33 may be too many
12 sounds good
forrestjones2010
12
12 golden rings
cagedmind0531
Syrka is going to head the Order
forrestjones2010
k
cagedmind0531
He can't be one because he's not human
But he is going to be their rep basically
forrestjones2010
k
can there be an AI spy in the mix?
cagedmind0531
hmm
to what ind?

forrestjones2010
lol
you never know peyton might need the intel for something along the way
barter trade world domination
cagedmind0531
How do the Eoti know each other? In public life
Is there a secret handshake? I figured they wouldn't even know of each other's identiy
they could wear masks
forrestjones2010
masks works
complete anonymity
cagedmind0531
Is there a way they would know each other in some way if absolutely necessary
Like how can they contact each other
Bat signal?
forrestjones2010
by recitation
cagedmind0531
This is going to be fun to write
forrestjones2010
recitation of the first page of the book
cagedmind0531
So does each death dictate a letter? a character or thought? a sentence? a page?
I was thinking a character
forrestjones2010
how long is the age?
cagedmind0531
2000+ years
forrestjones2010
character then
cagedmind0531
This is going to add alot of depth to the book I think
forrestjones2010
and a revisitation from the masks
it will indeed
cagedmind0531
Ok so
Does siren/peyton/fein have anything to do with these Eoti shennanigans
forrestjones2010
i have allot of the book of IND written
cagedmind0531
what do you mean?
forrestjones2010
the coral character was based on a political prisoner character
from another book i wrote
cagedmind0531
That's cool
forrestjones2010
i am going to thumb through it to see if any of it cross fertilizes
some may most may not
cagedmind0531
Siren and Fein etc have anything to do with the society?
forrestjones2010
i dont know other than tryin to spy on it
cagedmind0531
Got it
forrestjones2010
we good to go
this is fun jason
cagedmind0531
What if the wax of the candle is a key to making a storage device for the soul. The container that will hold it
forrestjones2010
its almost like we are gaming
cagedmind0531
haha
forrestjones2010
hmmmmm
i like
we will have to have a container eventually
cagedmind0531
I think that about covers chapter 8 more or less
forrestjones2010
a soul container that is
it should
code word
Balthusadec
cagedmind0531
What's that from?
forrestjones2010
i made it up
that is the name of the first soul that dies to make the first character
not his human name but his soul's name
cagedmind0531
Soul's have names now?
forrestjones2010
i thought you knew
cagedmind0531
Nope
I like your new drawing
forrestjones2010
they dont have to
cagedmind0531
You know one thing that occured to me the other day is we have always thought of the 4 masks as human but they are the masks of a crow
kinda odd
forrestjones2010
ty
true
cagedmind0531
I always figured he took human form but I never really alluded to that in the book
forrestjones2010
i assumed he did too
thats one crazy bird
cagedmind0531
haha
So by the way
About the IND
the name
I figure we will NEVER tell people what it means
forrestjones2010
you dont have to use Balthusadec if you dont want to
cagedmind0531
Just allude to it
but change the subject
forrestjones2010
right i wont
cagedmind0531
I figure that will screw with people
forrestjones2010
and we like that
cagedmind0531
Like we'll start talking like we're going to finally reveal it
Then BAM! nope
DENIED
forrestjones2010
right on
dynomight
ok i need to get cracking on dissection at feinys place
cagedmind0531
alrighty
forrestjones2010
they are trying to find
?
something in her dna
key to gaiashere
but nada
cagedmind0531
aye
forrestjones2010
and thats basicaally it right
cagedmind0531
They want a specific piece of dna
or maybe not dna but a cell
a cell would be better
cause dna is the same no matter where you get it
forrestjones2010
a cell near her heart
cause its big and juicy
and green
cagedmind0531
lol
forrestjones2010
and full of love
cagedmind0531
ROFL
forrestjones2010
ok going to write about juicy love cells...toodles